Rani and Livia of PB & Jams interviewed Sam Siegler from Rival Schools about 90s bands, the hardcore scene, and Gene Simmons. Check out the transcript below:
Rani: Can you state your name, what you do in the band, and if you were a ‘90s band, who would you be?
Sam: Ok. My name is Sam Siegler and I play drums in the band Rival Schools. And…uh…’90s…if I was a band who would I be?
Rani: Or ‘80s if that’s easier. Or 80s and 90s!
Sam: Oh, well the ‘80s opens up a whole other thing! I mean, I don’t know…the ‘80s, maybe Keith Morris and the ‘90s maybe Kurt Cobain. Something like that.
Rani: That’s legit.
Sam: But still alive.
Rani: Oh yeah, that’s a good point. But Keith is still alive, he’s still kickin’.
Sam: He is, true.
Rani: Alright, what’s one band you guys listen to that people normally wouldn’t expect you to listen to?
Sam: Ummm, I don’t know. I mean there’s this band called The Witch, which is this band – I think they’re from Africa – in like the ‘70s. They’re kind of funky. I could be wrong on the ‘70s and Africa, but I think I’m right on that. But The Witch – really funky. In my mind it’s like these guys just got a hold of some Jimi Hendrix and just started a crazy funk psychedelic band and I think it’s pretty cool. And uh, I listen to a lot of Brant Bjork and Can, but I don’t know if those are too obscure.
Rani: I have not heard any of them, but I’ll have to check them out!
Sam: Yeah! Check them out, check them all out!
Rani: So you guys have roots in the hardcore scene, and I was wondering – what are some positive changes you’ve noticed over the years, and what are some negative changes?
Sam: All of us really came up in the hardcore scene I guess, like the mid to late ‘80s and the ‘90s and stuff, and in some respects it’s definitely changed and in some respects it feels kind of the same. I don’t totally follow it as closely as I used to, but I do see records of a new band or a t-shirt and it kind of looks the same or feels the same. And some of the stuff I’ve heard, you can see a continuity in it. For everybody it’s different I think. For me it was a magical time. It was ’87 and I was 14 or something like that, and I was just going to shows and there was a big mix of kids – like punks and skinheads and straight edge kids and non-straight edge kids – all at the same show, and it was all run by the kids. There was this record store called Some Records that we would all hang out at. You know, it was a real community and all that good stuff. And then eventually it went away because I don’t think these scenes can last. You know, any good thing can’t really last. It got really violent…it got kind of segregated, where the straight edge shows were just only straight edge kids, and the punk shows were only punk kids. In that way it lost a little bit of magic for me. But somewhere today I like to think it’s happening for somebody somewhere. I’m sure there’s some 12 year olds or 15 year olds in a basement somewhere just going nuts and having a show, and that’s how it started for me so that’s cool.
Rani: What’s one of the most memorable shows that you’ve been to?
Sam: Ah, that I’ve been to…these are all memory questions [laughs]. My memory is not that good! Um, I saw the Beastie Boys open for Madonna at Radio City Music Hall in 1984. Man, there’s a lot of noises here – it’s kind of exciting.
[laughs]
Sam: You can tell people are at like, a drag race. Hanging out and getting’ wild. But yeah, the Beastie Boys. I actually used to go to a lot of concerts like that. Umm, yeah, I don’t know…let’s go with that one!
Rani: Haha alright! Well this is kind of on a different note, but who are some writers or lyricists that you guys are influenced by or just really enjoy?
Sam: Walter writes a lot of the lyrics for Rival Schools, but for myself, I listen to a lot of different stuff. I mean, I guess Bob Marley is a real obvious one. A lot of reggae stuff is really positive, and some of the good hardcore stuff was really influential. I don’t know, I mean some of the classics like Crosby, Stills, and Nash…Neal Young, probably.
Rani: So you guys have obviously been in music for years. What’s one thing that you’re most proud of?
Sam: I love making records that document certain times in my life, so it’s always fun for me to look back at them and they’re all sort of special in different ways. I was really happy and proud of that first Glassjaw record that I played on. It was a really exciting time, I met my wife there, I met a bunch of new friends there, we were in a really beautiful studio, we made a cool record. I loved the stuff with Youth of Today. I thought that was a really important band. I thought it was a band that was on a mission, that had something to say at that time. So those stand out. And the first Rival Schools album, you know? I mean, I love them all, pretty much, in different ways.
Livia: What are some non-musical influences?
Sam: Well, I guess my family. My father plays drums, my grandfather plays drums – maybe that counts as a musical influence but they were really an inspiration for me. I grew up in New York City in Lower Manhattan and there’s just an energy there. You’re exposed to a lot, whether it’s food or people or music or cultures, and that keeps you open. Or at least for me, I was exposed to a lot of different stuff that I think shows – well, I hope shows – in the way I play.
Livia: Awesome! What is the driving shift while you’re on tour, and what do you listen to while you’re driving?
Sam: Recently on this tour we’ve been listening to a lot of comedy albums. A lot of Andrew Dice Clay. Yeah, different comedy things I guess. The Rolling Stones have been popular as of late. We’ve got two wonderful crew guys out with us who are driving, and uh, yeah…it’s good.
Livia: Do you feel like Rival Schools was a natural progression from your hardcore projects in the past?
Sam: I do, yeah. Even between that I was in this band called CIV, and CIV was sort of like, you know, another step more musically evolved maybe than sort of the real hardcore stuff. I played in Gorilla Biscuits in ’85 and Side By Side in ’87 and then Youth of Today in ‘87, ’88. Then you can see it kind of in Judge where we all kind of learned to play a little bit more. We learned there’s actual guitar leads, like a double bass drum pedal, there’s different things. And then CIV was a little more, you know, exploring some different musical stuff, and it evolved into Rival Schools for me. And for Walter you see it; he was in Quicksand, and you can see his progression. But yeah, that’s the point – it’s to keep moving forward, and it doesn’t necessarily mean get lighter as you get older, but just evolve, you know?
Rani: That’s really interesting, because now, in my head – I don’t know why this just clicked – but it makes sense. I don’t know, the musicianship, I guess…
Sam: Yeah, I read some tweet about our show in Buffalo I guess, and somebody tweeted “Just realized that Walter has been the soundtrack of my life for the last 15 years”. He’s a really good songwriter, and he wrote Gorilla Biscuits and CIV and Quicksand and you know, with other people, but he’s the main driving force behind that stuff. You can see how he’s evolved and how the band’s evolved.
Livia: Well, the last question is: What’s one question you’ve never been asked in an interview that you’ve always wanted to be asked?
Sam: Oh, like Gene Simmons – like how many women have you had sex with?
[bursts out laughing]
Livia: Exactly like that! That’s where we got it from.
Rani: Why don’t people ask that more often?
Sam: [laughs] Cause it’s only for Gene.
Rani: He is a character.
Livia: He’s always on Loveline, and it is the weirdest thing ever.
Sam: I love your Fantasia notebook. [to Livia]
Livia: Oh thanks, I try. [laughs] I kind of like Disney…
Sam: Disney’s alright. It’s popular, it gets around. [pauses] Awesome!
Rani: Well, that’s all we have for you!
Sam: Cool!